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they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have governors. a lot of diversity. duval patrick and we can all look as governor cuomo, you have elizabeth warren that might be considered presidential. so i don't want to throw all our eggs in one basket because there are so many wonderful people. martin o'malley, for example, the governor of colorado. like the republicans, this will be a large field of candidates, but there's fo question if secretary of state hillary clinton decided to throw her gloves into the race, game on. >> she got a lot of competition. >> david frum, you think the republican party's
they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have...
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the president was elected by all of the people in the country. we have 535 members of congress who were elected from all over the country. >> i think a lot of folks think he is now governing in -- or at least putting proposals out there like 100% of the vote -- >> let's remember how this started. congress created this so-called cliff. they decided there would be a date certain where everything would unravel. it wasn't the president that did it, and now he has laid something on the table. it's time for congress to act. to say that their feelings are hurt, you know, put on the big boy pants for girls and boys and let's get this job done. >> you know, there's been a lot of talk around this town about the movie "lincoln." in that movie lincoln in the service of a big idea expended enormous political personal capital and negotiated a deal. what we have here is a president in the service of a small idea, taxing the wealthy, who has put forward no personal political capital to actually get a deal done with these guys. you have senator warner on earlier
the president was elected by all of the people in the country. we have 535 members of congress who were elected from all over the country. >> i think a lot of folks think he is now governing in -- or at least putting proposals out there like 100% of the vote -- >> let's remember how this started. congress created this so-called cliff. they decided there would be a date certain where everything would unravel. it wasn't the president that did it, and now he has laid something on the...
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he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington post" abc news poll who favor raising taxes on folks earning more than $250,000 a year. but there are a couple other things to keep in mind, as well. president obama often talks about returning to clinton era tax rates. he wants to raise much more revenue from high earners than the clinton era tax code would have raised. and president clinton also dramatically lowered capital gains taxes, and that generally benefited high-earners. so a lot of folks believe that's something that balanced out against the increases on ordinary income. so, you know, that's something that
he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington...
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it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and the youth and this sort of idealism might perhaps come from a rubio or ryan on the republican side? >> well, if i look at that poll you were referring to, hillary clinton is the overwhelming favorite among young people, especially young women. young people and young women, clearly they're going to help determine future elections. look, i think paul ryan and marco rubio, are trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and, perhaps, big ideas and a larger goalpost. i want to also say this because i have to say this as
it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and...
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is it the people who spoke in the election and voted for the president? this issue was foremost in the campaign. the people spoke. the republicans need to listen. >> jennifer: the people spoke! well said, congressman leen! -- levin. deal with it. so far, the republicans have not listened. some of them have even moved on to the next stage of grief which is anger. case in point, eric cantor. he threw a bit of a twitter tantrum today. he tweeted "the house will not adjourn the 112th congress until a credible solution to the fiscal cliff has been announced." the house will not adjourn. not! but don't worry, he will be on to the next stage soon enough. it is kind of ironic, since, of course they adjourned today until next week. this is a wednesday. but anyway, that's bargaining is the next stage. and of course bargaining means that you hope to be able to compromise. you hope to be able to avoid the inevitable. the poster boy for this one is oklahoma senator tom coburn who said today that he would rather see tax rates go up than close loopholes because then he
is it the people who spoke in the election and voted for the president? this issue was foremost in the campaign. the people spoke. the republicans need to listen. >> jennifer: the people spoke! well said, congressman leen! -- levin. deal with it. so far, the republicans have not listened. some of them have even moved on to the next stage of grief which is anger. case in point, eric cantor. he threw a bit of a twitter tantrum today. he tweeted "the house will not adjourn the 112th...
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and george bush lost re-election. since then the party's been committed to never compromising on the tax issue, no matter the deficit. no congressional republican has voted for an increase in taxes since 1990. think about it. for nearly a quarter of a century, no new income taxes. in the current congress, 236 house republicans vowed never to raise taxes. 40 gop senators also kept that pledge. even president george w. bush, the man who got us into two wars we didn't pay for. the president who exploded our deficit. he insisted the solution to our problems were more tax cuts. president clinton handed him a $236 billion surplus. a surplus. and left office with a $1.2 trillion deficit. but he just had to keep those tax cuts coming, but something remarkable may be happening in our politics. we're on the verge of something big. after decades of silliness, this lock-step republican fantasy that has hurt our country, president obama is close to breaking the gop tax unity. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is s
and george bush lost re-election. since then the party's been committed to never compromising on the tax issue, no matter the deficit. no congressional republican has voted for an increase in taxes since 1990. think about it. for nearly a quarter of a century, no new income taxes. in the current congress, 236 house republicans vowed never to raise taxes. 40 gop senators also kept that pledge. even president george w. bush, the man who got us into two wars we didn't pay for. the president who...
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we saw that in state after state in the last election. the supreme court will take up the issue, and i hope that they understand as most of us do that this is part of our future. marriage equality and the equal treatment of people who have made this decision is part of what america is all about. >> final point, senator durbin. susan rice. will she be the president's secretary of state nominee and could she get confirmed in the senate at this point? >> i can't say that because the president has not told me what his decision will be. there have been two excellent names mentioned, ambassador rice and my colleague, senator kerry. either one of them would have a tough job following the great job of hillary clinton, but they could both serve this country in an extraordinary way as secretary of state. >> you're saying that rice could get confirmed? >> i do believe so. i think at the end, some of the criticisms against her have been unwarranted. many have gone just too far. there is really a basic feeling of fairness. she is an extraordinary pers
we saw that in state after state in the last election. the supreme court will take up the issue, and i hope that they understand as most of us do that this is part of our future. marriage equality and the equal treatment of people who have made this decision is part of what america is all about. >> final point, senator durbin. susan rice. will she be the president's secretary of state nominee and could she get confirmed in the senate at this point? >> i can't say that because the...
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i think republicans and to win elections in the future. >> now, erin, during this election, you covered governor romney a lot and now washington post tells us that he's in seclusion. according to "the washington post," i'm quoting them, he devours news from 2600 miles away in washington, shaking his head and wondering what if. yet friends insist romney is not bitter. erin, i'm just getting your react as somebody that covered him a lot. how do you read his new self-imposed seclusion? >> not surprising at all. this is a man who has just spent the last six years of his life running for president and towards the end of that campaign and john kerry was upset and al gore upset and mitt romney is just taking a breather and he may not have a big voice within the republican party and he might have a big voice on certain issues in the years to come. >> well, just as a point of information, i think al gore had a different view of the 2000 election but, anyway, let me go back to you, kristen. the gop's response to the election was all over the place but 25% of republicans want their state to succee
i think republicans and to win elections in the future. >> now, erin, during this election, you covered governor romney a lot and now washington post tells us that he's in seclusion. according to "the washington post," i'm quoting them, he devours news from 2600 miles away in washington, shaking his head and wondering what if. yet friends insist romney is not bitter. erin, i'm just getting your react as somebody that covered him a lot. how do you read his new self-imposed...
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the president just won this historic re-election, how can he walk back now after he won re-election from this position? >> you know, i think that he's got the wind at his back. the american people want him to stand up for these essential programs. now, look, american people do want to see cost containment. we can do that in ways that doesn't result in cuts to beneficiaries. >> we'll have to take a break. >>> right now, lot more roundtable ahead. what's ahead for susan rice? mitt romney's team takes on the critics and what really happened when the rivals had lunch. >>> both men acted graciously, after lunch, mitt romney extend a return invitation to the president to visit him and his money at the cayman island. >> it's a nice gesture for the president considering that he hasn't let joe biden have lunch with him even once. that he hasn't let joe biden have lunch with him even once. >>> as you heard, we have lots more to talk about with our roundtable right after this from our abc stations. >> but, the problem with controlling costs you can only do that to some degree. every single year we
the president just won this historic re-election, how can he walk back now after he won re-election from this position? >> you know, i think that he's got the wind at his back. the american people want him to stand up for these essential programs. now, look, american people do want to see cost containment. we can do that in ways that doesn't result in cuts to beneficiaries. >> we'll have to take a break. >>> right now, lot more roundtable ahead. what's ahead for susan rice?...
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and of course the election may be sooner than we think, even though the election is over. we'll be right back in just a moment. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ >>> it was a rare event late on a friday afternoon when we learned the u.s. supreme court is going to wade into one of the most talked about and emotional issues of our time. >> the fact that the court has agreed to take both cases could mean that the justices are prepared to get to the heart of the same-sex marriage issue, and that could result in what would eventually be the roe v. wade of gay rights. >> we are back on a big story that will become an even bigger story when we move forward, and that's the question of marriage equality for gays and lesbians in the country. speaker gingrich, you oppose same-sex marriage
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and of course the election may be sooner than we think, even though the election is over. we'll be right back in just a moment. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. [ male announcer ] with a select terrain dial that adjusts the jeep grand cherokee's performance for specific weather and road conditions... ♪ ...even heavy snowstorms... won't keep you from getting to work. our apologies. ♪ >>> it was a rare event late on a friday afternoon when we learned the u.s. supreme court is going to wade into one of the most talked about and emotional issues of our time. >> the fact that the court has agreed to take both cases could mean that
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president obama did win the election. you know, an event has happened as part of the many months where the public comes down on this. >> luke russert, john boehner did yesterday come out with their proposal, the house proposal. is that a nonstarter or move the ball a little bit? >> i would say it's a nonstarter for the white house, but it moves the ball a little bit in the sense it gives us an idea of what the house gop conference would be willing to accept and that is really to put it in place, caps, specific numbers, that could be worked on next year. essentially you're going to bank specific things the white house would give. perhaps an increase in the medicare age. perhaps a change in the cpi in terms of how social security is doled out. the idea that's what the plan would possibly look like. that was a movement more towards the center. as president obama said it's unacceptable. when i was walking over here i spoke to a senior republican senator and he pretty much said look, we accept that eventually these rates on th
president obama did win the election. you know, an event has happened as part of the many months where the public comes down on this. >> luke russert, john boehner did yesterday come out with their proposal, the house proposal. is that a nonstarter or move the ball a little bit? >> i would say it's a nonstarter for the white house, but it moves the ball a little bit in the sense it gives us an idea of what the house gop conference would be willing to accept and that is really to put...
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two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't heard from democrats in the senate. i'm going to guarantee you that the democrats in the senate are going to be split on this business of who's rich and what the right tax rates are going to be. >> i have to leave it there, chaps. nick, larry, thank you both much, indeed. >>> coming up next, kerry kennedy joins me about fame, politics and most important of all, taylor swift. like a lot of things, trying to find a better job can be frustrating. so at university of phoenix we're working with a growing list of almost two thousand corporate partners - companies like microsoft, american red cross and adobe - t
two days after the election, boehner came up with a tax revenue plan. very controversial in his party. he said, let's cap deductions and loopholes and leave the race alone because that help growth. that was $800 billion. it shocked a lot of republicans. and he got nothing. he got, you know, nothing from obama. and i think that started the bad blood. and i think the president -- >> good point. they both got to learn the art of negotiation. >> we haven't heard from democrats in the...
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when do you do election reform? well, i think when there's not an election going on and people are paying attention. i want to thank you for doing this. this has been a story that we have spent countless hours on, leading up to the election. but how do you see the federal government setting standards? what does the l.i.n.e. act do for states like ohio and florida, where there have been problems? >> well, first, thank you for all the work you've done on this. i'll tell you, my heart sank when i saw those lines, because i thought back to the '04 election in ohio. and i don't know if you know this, but i actually stalled the electoral college vote, because i was so incensed when i learned that in minority precincts in ohio, people waited for 12 hours to vote and many gave up. it was pouring down rain. this is really disen chancement. so the congress has the perfect right to get involved in setting standards. i'm proud that the states are going to do it. good for them. i'm happy they're ready to fix it. but they have to
when do you do election reform? well, i think when there's not an election going on and people are paying attention. i want to thank you for doing this. this has been a story that we have spent countless hours on, leading up to the election. but how do you see the federal government setting standards? what does the l.i.n.e. act do for states like ohio and florida, where there have been problems? >> well, first, thank you for all the work you've done on this. i'll tell you, my heart sank...
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they don't have an election until november of 2014. you want to negotiate seriously we'll sit down and talk. you don't want to negotiate seriously, we'll survive going off this cliff. no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to have a bigger cliff. >> gingrich went on to say he doesn't sense any mutual respect right now between the president and house speaker john boehner and that troubles him. >>> a lawyer says john mcafee will request asylum in guatemala. he emerged from weeks of hiding yesterday. he disappeared from his home in belize after his neighbor was murdered. police in belize say mcafee is no the a suspect and they just want to talk to him. mcafee said he feared persecution by police so he left belize. >> i like guatemala. i think the legal system in guatemala is superior to the legal system in belize. >> one official in belize said if mcafee is innocent, he should just talk to them and then he can move on. >>> dash cam individual o
they don't have an election until november of 2014. you want to negotiate seriously we'll sit down and talk. you don't want to negotiate seriously, we'll survive going off this cliff. no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to have a bigger cliff. >> gingrich went on to say he doesn't sense any mutual respect right now between the president and house speaker john boehner and that troubles him....
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you just lost an election because of the narrowness of your vision. expand it. who will you talk to? >> you know what? i will talk to everyone and anyone who will listen. we work he very closely with former senator dole, and i couldn't believe as he was sitting there in the senate, and republican after republican voted against something that was so important so near and dear to his heart with former governor dick thornberg who is an amazing ally to folks with disabilities. i had dinner with dora bush, another person who is passionate about making the world a better place for those with disabilities. the voices are there we just need to figure out how to get those voices to be a more powerful voice for the power. >> eliot: each of those voices were a voice from the past. that's indicative of the unfortunate transportation transformation. mark perrierllop thank you for joining us. >> we served from different states way back a couple of years ago. senator, were you shocked as many of us when this treaty was not approved by the united states senate? >> i was absolut
you just lost an election because of the narrowness of your vision. expand it. who will you talk to? >> you know what? i will talk to everyone and anyone who will listen. we work he very closely with former senator dole, and i couldn't believe as he was sitting there in the senate, and republican after republican voted against something that was so important so near and dear to his heart with former governor dick thornberg who is an amazing ally to folks with disabilities. i had dinner...
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they don't have an election until november of 2014. they need to say look, you want to negotiate seriously, we'll sit down and talk. you don't want to negotiate seriously, the country will survive going off this cliff. it's largely a factor in terms of american history, the people will not look back on as a giant tragedy. we need to have serious effort to get this country reorganized and i see no sign that the political system today is at all prepared for that kind of serious thinking. >> but what is so serious about the thinking of a party that just is implacably opposed to raising income tax even for the richest 2%? because the american people don't give a stuff. in all the polls, two-thirds of them are yes, let's tax the wealthiest 2% and by the way, that's me and you, newt. i don't know about you, i'm quite happy to pay a little bit more if it helps the general good. are you? >> well, piers, i'm happy for you to pay it, too. if you want to write a check this evening, the treasury will accept it. i'm delighted with your sense of cit
they don't have an election until november of 2014. they need to say look, you want to negotiate seriously, we'll sit down and talk. you don't want to negotiate seriously, the country will survive going off this cliff. it's largely a factor in terms of american history, the people will not look back on as a giant tragedy. we need to have serious effort to get this country reorganized and i see no sign that the political system today is at all prepared for that kind of serious thinking. >>...
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that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use euphemisms, but agree to cutting medicare and medicaid. and by the way, that means cutting for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask anybody to do, let alone the democratic party. which really created these programs. this is going to be awful and gruesome, but 70 for 60 in your poll, 60% of americans want to raise taxes on well off americans. 70% don't want to cut or 80, don't want to cut medicare or medicaid, so the hard stuff is coming. this is the easy stuff. we can't even get the republicans to agree to that. >> we're out of time guys, nice to talk to you as always. i appreciate it. >>> next, violent clashes along the turkey, syria border and a new heir to the british throne is on the way. our piers morgan will explain the fuss. that's coming up next. >>> we're back with tonight's designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men'
that's the ticket for admission because the president won the election and campaigned on that. the democrats are going to have to agree. they'll use euphemisms, but agree to cutting medicare and medicaid. and by the way, that means cutting for seniors and poor people and special needs kids. that is not an easy thing to ask anybody to do, let alone the democratic party. which really created these programs. this is going to be awful and gruesome, but 70 for 60 in your poll, 60% of americans want...
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a general election, yes. but he does have to face conservative threats in the primaries, not the best way. >> a cynical view of this -- >> sorry. it's holiday season but it's true. >> that's why we have you here. you call it like it is, my friend. that's all for us. thank you. we have to go. but i'll see you back leer tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific joined by ben white, joan walsh, ben smith and msnbc's very own chris heys. until then, follow us on twitter -- wow, having a hard time with the teleprompter. "andrea mitchell reports" next. chris cillizza is filling in for her. good afternoon, mr. cillizza. >> i don't know what those words mean but assume they're compliments. >> $5 compliments. >> i'll take them. >> coming up next on "andrea mitchell reports," jim demint is out. the tea party leader announces his departure from congress. what does it mean for the senate and the future of the republican party? chuck todd, gop senator leader john barrasso and more. congressman john larson on what role h
a general election, yes. but he does have to face conservative threats in the primaries, not the best way. >> a cynical view of this -- >> sorry. it's holiday season but it's true. >> that's why we have you here. you call it like it is, my friend. that's all for us. thank you. we have to go. but i'll see you back leer tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific joined by ben white, joan walsh, ben smith and msnbc's very own chris heys. until then, follow us on twitter -- wow,...
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and election has come and gone. the people have made their choice. policy-makers still have a duty to choose between ideas that work and those that do not. when one economic policy after another has failed our working families, it is no answer to expressed compassion for them or create government programs that offer promise but do not create reforms. we must come together to advance new strategies for the the people out of poverty. let's go with what works. looking around this room at the men and women who are carrying legacy, i know we are answering the call. this cause is right. jack kemp started this. we know the good fight for the american ideal wood -- will go on until we reach all people. thank you for coming in here this evening. thank you for having us this night. congratulations to marco. [applause]
and election has come and gone. the people have made their choice. policy-makers still have a duty to choose between ideas that work and those that do not. when one economic policy after another has failed our working families, it is no answer to expressed compassion for them or create government programs that offer promise but do not create reforms. we must come together to advance new strategies for the the people out of poverty. let's go with what works. looking around this room at the men...
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situation where you move to a different type of constitution in which people can have a say in e lebl electing the government and where the countries have put in a more stable issue. so this is fantastically difficult. again, what we've seen in the middle east, we saw it in iraq and now in syria. once you lift the lid off of these very repressive regimes, out comes this religious, ethnic, tribal tense. >> how worried are you about the situation in egypt? >> i think egypt is key to the region. you've got to be extremely worried when you see instability affecting egypt. this is, again, these are the birth pains of proper democracy in some ways. but this struggle is immensely important because obviously, what is important in these countries, where they've moved to a democratic system, is that there is a clear understanding. it's a way of thinking. and part of that way of thinking is that you've got to preblgt minorities. you've got to -- democracy doesn't function unless it is accompanied by an open mind. and so, you can understand there is a lot of anxiety in egypt about the constitutional propo
situation where you move to a different type of constitution in which people can have a say in e lebl electing the government and where the countries have put in a more stable issue. so this is fantastically difficult. again, what we've seen in the middle east, we saw it in iraq and now in syria. once you lift the lid off of these very repressive regimes, out comes this religious, ethnic, tribal tense. >> how worried are you about the situation in egypt? >> i think egypt is key to...
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and it also means that elections have consequences. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >>> tonight, jay carney's position in the white house secretary hall of fame is assured by what he said today in the white house press briefing room about the republicans' latest budget proposal. quote, it is magic beans and fairy dust. >> i'm worried about the fiscal cliff in the same way i'm worried about martians. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal whatever it is. >> is this a rerun? >> still no progress as all sides jockey for position. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that
and it also means that elections have consequences. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >>> tonight, jay carney's position in the white house secretary hall of fame is assured by what he said today in the white house press briefing room about the republicans' latest budget proposal. quote, it is magic beans and fairy dust. >> i'm worried about the fiscal cliff in the same way i'm worried about martians. >> fiscal cliff. >> fiscal...
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that was before the election. and i just holding the ground is going to be important, no question about that. i get a sense the democrats are unified. but going over the cliff, that affects the constituents big time. correct? >> how do you hold that together? >> there's unanimity that july 25th, we passed tax cuts for the 98% to continue this tax policy that they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on
that was before the election. and i just holding the ground is going to be important, no question about that. i get a sense the democrats are unified. but going over the cliff, that affects the constituents big time. correct? >> how do you hold that together? >> there's unanimity that july 25th, we passed tax cuts for the 98% to continue this tax policy that they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do...
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i was re-elected. the american people understand that we have a serious fiscal challenge in our country. we want to meet obligations to the seniors. we have work to do. we have committed to spending cuts. we need the republicans to commit to some revenue while protecting and strengthening the middle class. protect the tax cuts of the middle class and expand opportunity for success in the country, that we really work toward economic growth the right way and a partner. it's got to be spending cuts and revenue. >> what do you feel about this proposal, if you will, that's been floated out by some to deal with the tax cuts now and deal with the other issues of medicare and i bring0u$ medicae because you have concerns about co-pay and other issues that could affect a number of people, not just in your state but of course we know throughout. >> there are a number of issues facing us. i think it's very important to extend the middle class tax cuts and it's great if it's true but we haven't heard speaker boehn
i was re-elected. the american people understand that we have a serious fiscal challenge in our country. we want to meet obligations to the seniors. we have work to do. we have committed to spending cuts. we need the republicans to commit to some revenue while protecting and strengthening the middle class. protect the tax cuts of the middle class and expand opportunity for success in the country, that we really work toward economic growth the right way and a partner. it's got to be spending...
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, elections of consequences. remember that famous soundbyte? obama ran on higher taxes for the wealthy and won. lz, shouldn't he be making the same argument? that is what he ran on. >> absolutely. you know what i find interesting, if you look at the statistics, many of the blue states that supported president obama are some of the richest states in the country. and so not only did you have him defeat romney pretty handedly in the electoral college, but people willing to sacrifice their own money to make sure that president obama, his policies made it to the white house. you know, it was the exact opposite in just the republicans. some of the red states were some of the poorest states in the country. so i think it is very interesting that when you see average american citizens who happen to be making a little bit more money willing to sacrifice for the good of the country, i think that's a good message and something to get behind and stand on. >> lz, our producers are here, can we keep them over the break? i want
, elections of consequences. remember that famous soundbyte? obama ran on higher taxes for the wealthy and won. lz, shouldn't he be making the same argument? that is what he ran on. >> absolutely. you know what i find interesting, if you look at the statistics, many of the blue states that supported president obama are some of the richest states in the country. and so not only did you have him defeat romney pretty handedly in the electoral college, but people willing to sacrifice their...
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he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would stipulate this, wolf. the president has the leverage here, i mean, republicans also know that if they were to go over the cliff that the tax cuts on the wealthy would increase. you could come back and undue the tax cuts on the middle class expiring. but the president's in a pretty good bargaining position here, which is why you see him sort of hold firm. >> what leverage do the republicans have? >> well, look, i think it -- they understand that for some liberals going over the cliff is okay, because liberals say, you know w
he just won this election. it's not like the debt ceiling debacle in 2011 went over well with the american public. the american public was disgusted by it, it was brinks manship that people did not like to see, in a recession, they thought it endangered the economy, republicans also know that if you look at the polls and they look at the polls, that the public would blame them if we go over the fiscal cliff by a 2 to 1 margin. so i would say that right now, and i think even republicans would...
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. >> though i wish this election turned out a little differently, i'm proud of the campaign that mitt romney and i ran. losing is part of politics. and it can often prepare the way for greater victories. >> speaking of greater victories, at the latest "washington post"/abc poll on hillary clinton, chris cizilla indicates strong support for hillary clinton. she has really i guess she's the most popular figure in american politics. >> she is at her highest popularity rating that we have ever in "the washington post"/abc poll measured her and almost six in ten, 57% of americans, this isn't democrats, this is the american public broadly, want her to run for president in 2016. now, i would say, if she becomes a candidate, i think -- inevitably she'll be seen much more in that partisan atmosphere, some of her stratospheric numbers will drop down. i would say she has been skeptical very skeptical of running. if you look at these numbers if you have any interest of being the president of the united states this may be a hard race to say no to. >> i think the rest of the political world knows w
. >> though i wish this election turned out a little differently, i'm proud of the campaign that mitt romney and i ran. losing is part of politics. and it can often prepare the way for greater victories. >> speaking of greater victories, at the latest "washington post"/abc poll on hillary clinton, chris cizilla indicates strong support for hillary clinton. she has really i guess she's the most popular figure in american politics. >> she is at her highest popularity...
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in safe seats so the crucial election is not the general election, it's the primary election, and as we know in primaries, there's low participation which gives a hugely disproportionate power to the rigid ideologues, the extremes on both sides. that makes it very difficult. second is the overwhelming amount of money, of all of the judicial mistakes that have been made in history by supreme courts, few in my judgment will history record as being more unwise and wrong than the supreme court decision in the citizens united case, which took a situation already reeking with too much money and just poured tons of it, more into it. so for members now, it's just a mad money chase all the time, which i think is demeaning to everybody and very, very unfortunate. so it's a combination of factors. many others, but those are some of them. >> so look, you've helped negotiate peace in northern ireland. you worked on peace in the middle east. how does the problem here get fixed? >> well, i think in the end, in democracies it's fixed only by the people. the word democracy is a combination of two gre
in safe seats so the crucial election is not the general election, it's the primary election, and as we know in primaries, there's low participation which gives a hugely disproportionate power to the rigid ideologues, the extremes on both sides. that makes it very difficult. second is the overwhelming amount of money, of all of the judicial mistakes that have been made in history by supreme courts, few in my judgment will history record as being more unwise and wrong than the supreme court...